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wcw

Yes, attaching medical insurance to employment is stupid. Detaching it from employment without attaching it to any larger grouping is insane. Belief that medical care is amenable to market forces is not to McCain's credit. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how markets work, of their virtues, and of their flaws.

Rhys Southan

Hopefully Obama will read this and take McCain's idea. Otherwise, this entry could backfire and give McCain the election, which nobody in America wants.

Andrew Schmitt

Agreed 100%, McCain's health proposal is the best thing he has going.

We need to have a real market for health insurance with M's of individuals. People also need to be aware of the costs. I buy my own insurance for my family, as do you I guess. It is not cheap.

Add in high deductibles to control consumption and rollback the 'mandated' coverage areas (in-vitro fertilization is covered in some states - that is crazy) and we are getting somewhere.

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I should add that the chances of all this happening are precisely zero.

me

I really love how you overlook the fact that diabetics like me, cancer patients like McCain or Elizabeth Edwards, cannot buy insurance at any price.

You also conveniently omit the fact that McCain will cut Medicare and Medicaid to pay for his tax cuts (per Holtz-Aiken).

And I never figured how a 5 grand tax cut paid for a 12 grand policy, if you could get the insurance.

No, give me that crappy government health care that McCain, and apparently you , rail against, but that McCain hasn't been WITHOUT for ONE day since he was born.

Joseph Weisenthal

"And I never figured how a 5 grand tax cut paid for a 12 grand policy, if you could get the insurance."

Because the other $7,000 would come from increased pay, as your employer re-allocates the money they spent on health insurance towards normal salary.

See here:
http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/the_missing_7000.php

me

"Because the other $7,000 would come from increased pay,"

Yeah, just like Starbucks lowers the price of coffee when beans fall.

me

And I forgot Joe, if you were correct, then when companies took away the pensions, they would have given everyone raises. That did not happen and we have gone from 2/3 comvered by a pension to less than 40%, and wages have stagnated. Nice academic theory but not true in reality.

Skinny

Joe,

Thanks for writing about health insurance from a freelance/young person perspective.

As a freelancer I would like affordable insurance that isn't tied to one employer but I'm with "me" on this one. I think portability and tax deductions for the self-employed are appealing but I don't want to leave everyone who has pre-existing conditions or tight incomes out of the loop, nor do I want to undermine insurance coverage for people who are covered by their work.

Have you taken a look at Obama's support for a health insurance market place called a Health Insurance Exchange. My impression is that the Obama campaign isn't too serious about it and that HIEs might undermine employer coverage.

Also aren't there now Health Savings Accounts. How does McCain's plan differ from an HSA? Would McCain's plan actually be worse than an HSA because instead of you controlling the money it goes DIRECTLY to the insurance company?

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The McCain-Palin Health Care Plan will ensure that Americans pay more for insurance premiums, higher deductibles, increased co-pays and more out-of-pocket expenses if Senator McCain is elected President on November 4, 2008.

A McCain-Palin election will green light employers to slash benefits, shift more costs to employees, and result in the taxing of employees' healthcare benefits paid by their employers for group plans.

McCain's proposed tax credits offered to families and individuals are absurd. Tax credits for $2500-$5000 do not begin to cover the costs of $7000-$14000 annual premiums + co-pays, high deductibles, and other out-of pocket expenses.

There is nothing substantive in the McCain-Palin healthcare plan to restrain runaway inflation in healthcare costs.

Growing the free market will result in further cost escalation and proliferate the delusion of competition. Today, insurance products are comparably priced and increasingly unaffordable.

Obama-Biden's Health Care Plan is more substantive and is highlighted by the prospect of a public insurance plan.

Ultimately, his plan will evolve to a cost-control driven remedy with less insurance industry abuse, fraud, and unjust enrichment for the healthcare industry.

Profit and overhead costs for multiple payers and the opportunities a de-centralized system affords to excessive utilization should be sufficient to inspire common sense policy-makers and employers to change course.

Obama's plan is more conducive to addressing our healthcare access, cost, quality and patient safety crises.

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