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wcw

While I tend to have sympathy for the contrary view, in the end Mr. Ritholtz can always pull out the laws of thermodynamics.

However, it is a silly argument to spawn such invective (scan the comments thread). Let's just agree that trading is a negative-sum game after transactions costs, but that trade itself is a positive-sum game under realistic assumptions.

Barry Ritholtz

I am not saying that everything is always a zero sum game — not even close.

I agree that if you buy a product from a seller, you both end up are better off. Thats a net add, not a zero sum.

But let Google take share from Yahoo & Microsoft, let iTunes steal customers from Tower Records -- that IS zero sum.

But I do believe that many more things are zero sum than people realize.

A Stalwart

ZERO SUM GAMES ARE A FLEETING PHENOMENON: I've read Barry's comments. I think it is indeed all a matter of timeframe, as Joe has outlined in this post. In a snapshot in time, everything is zero zum, but as time moves forward opportunities for development in the world multiply. And to view the world in a snapshot isn't realistic or useful.

Zero sum games are fleeting occurences which disapear as time moves forward.

For example, if tax cuts for the rich truly lead to a much larger economy in the future, then they benefit the poor.

TRADING ISN'T NEGATIVE-SUM: And seeing trading as negative sum again is also thinking too narrowly. When two parties trade each gives the other an asset, which each desires. This asset will be more productive in the hands of the new owner, thats why he wants it. I have a garden hoe, but can't farm. So I sell it to a guy who can. He'll get more out of, even if there was a small transaction cost in between. We include transaction costs in our calculation when we decide if the product is worth more or less than the price we need to pay. We buy it usually when its worth more to us. And if someone sells it to us at our stated price then the asset must be worth less to them. Both sides buy/sell the asset for more than the value it created for them.

NATURE: Even in nature (to correct you Joe), creatures become more effficient. Look at humans, products of evolution, we can do some pretty amazing things compared to the dinosaurs.

As far as pulling out the laws of thermodynamics, I think one needs to think in terms of "what is value". Value is something humans attribute to objects. If we can do much more using much less then value can go way up even while the universe is "decaying".

Interesting stuff though. But yes I think we need some trained philosophers over at The Big Picture to help people segregate arguements and then tackle them systematically. Otherwise, yes its an ugly mess of disjointed comments.

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