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Hal Merkow

Untrained laymen in a courtroom is the same as an untrained layman performing surgery. Sure, there's plenty of room for paraprofessionals in every discipline but one takes an enormous risk classifying all 'professionals' as Chevrolets. Even with the standards of law schools today, I see MANY lawyers to whom I would not trust the completion of a simple document let alone successfully argue a case in court, cross examine witnesses and evaluate evidence. There is no single simple answer.

meep

Right. The only people likely to end up dead due to poor lawyering are those up for the death penalty, and even then there's a delay of several years. When it comes to surgery, you can be dead in seconds. And then, there's always the malpractice suits that comes later -- no hospital would (knowingly) hire an uncertified surgeon as they would not be able to get liability coverage (and neither would the surgeon).

It's amusing to see lawyers hyperventilating over stuff such as Nolo press offerings and legalzoom.com, which is filling a need for cheaper, commodity-like legal offerings. Not everybody needs a complicated will or power-of-attorney, and most people will forgo it altogether if it costs them hundreds of dollars.

I happen to belong to a profession that has a similar gate-keeping group and subgroups -- the actuarial profession. Thing is, I believe there's only a few activities where one has to have the correct credentials for it to be legal (signing actuarial memos on pension plans, actuarial statement/memo on solvency of insurance company) and most other actuarial work can be (legally) done by anybody (though most companies will not hire you for such without some proof of your competency, which usually requires credentials and/or a certain amount of experience). You don't need a particular college degree, or years of work experience -- you just have to pass a series of exams that most people self-study for. Because the main consumers of the "actuarial product" are companies and not private individuals, I guess no one thought they had to protect the public from poor actuarying...and the check we have in any case is other actuaries (i.e. those working for the govt regulators) looking over our shoulders.

angie

Good luck on this crusade. Republicans oppose unions of the worker sort, but doctor's and other professional associations are their friends. A lot of conservatives are essentially feudal believing in protected niches.

There are alternatives to formal courts for many conflict resolutions. There is nothing in theory stopping them from reaching a degree of integrity that would encourage trust.

Indeed the current system is such that doctors essentially work with lawyers. Doctors refuse to admit a mistake. In systems where errors are documented and addressed the experience is far more patients recieve responses and compensation, but the costs of these go down. Also corrections are made.

But this requires doctors being able to admit their wrong. And in such a system the profits of "defensive medicine" would go way down.

Nowadays a lot of real medicine is practiced by nurses, therapists and others. they perform many tasks and evaluations and in some cases deal enough with the patients to know the situation and offer advice. Doctors like 5 minute sign off sessions.

We have created guild systems. Rational analysis of what it takes to get the task done are necessary. in many cases different degrees of training and different organization of responsibility could be much better.

The Cadillac analogy is a pure lie. Doctors and lawyers do not like transparency and rating. A good article on this battle is here:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?041206fa_fact

In fact in regions with more doctors in a certain specialty the nmber of procedures and other treatments go up. The market is not competitive, they are able to tweak it.

If they cared about Cadillac ratings they would pblicly be wondering why we pay twice as much of our income as other industrial countries with the lowest life expectancy, the high highest infant mortality rate and the largest percentage of seriously ill.

Note I don't say this is all doctor's responsibility, but the fact that they refuse to touch the subject, but reatreat to the claim we have the best system is an indication that much of it is.

They will be more difficult to reform than GM.

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